American Soldiers are Brainwashed Beyond Hope



There’s this crazy story over at TPM about Afghan children being handcuffed, taken into custody, and finally shot by their captors.

Karzai, not acting like the puppet he’s supposed to at all, sent a delegation to investigate. Their report is extremely disturbing:

“The delegation concluded that a unit of international forces descended from a plane Sunday night into Ghazi Khan village in Narang district of the eastern province of Kunar and took ten people from three homes, eight of them school students in grades six, nine and ten, one of them a guest, the rest from the same family, and shot them dead,” a statement on President Karzai’s website said.

I encourage you to read the entire post, however, I will quote some of the more grotesque parts because some of you are actually defending this:

“First the foreign troops entered the guest room and shot two of them. Then they entered another room and handcuffed the seven students. Then they killed them.”

And directly from Karzai’s official website:

The findings by the delegation concluded that a unit of international forces descended from a plane Sunday night into Ghazi Khan Village in Narang district of the eastern province of Kunar and took 10 people from three homes, eight of them school students in grades six, nine and 10, one of them a guest, the rest from the same family, and shot them dead.

Eight of those shot dead were confirmed as school students by the village school principle.

Even the NY Times is reporting this as an American action:

The governor of Kunar, Fazullah Wahidi, said that “the coalition claimed they were enemy fighters,” but that elders in the district and a delegation sent to the remote area had found that “10 people were killed and all of them were civilians.”

Those of you who pay taxes helped in funding this. Get off the grid and fuck the system. Seriously, how direct and disgusting are they gonna get before we stand up and say enough is enough?

Oh…and one more thing…here’s an asshole on facebook defending this action.

Robert Easter
Looking at this and one more site, it seems the “children” may not have been so tender, innocent, or all that young. In other words, whatever did happen, maybe an op-ed on a far-Left blogsite might not be the most objective source

yes, i left his name there…

11 Responses to “American Soldiers are Brainwashed Beyond Hope”

  1. It’s all in the context. I did not say I approved the killings, or that children should have been killed. A closer look at the story itself suggests the “children” may well have been in their twenties, and indicates the source calling them “children” was an uncle. Close to the story, possibly, but hardly an objective source- especially when used as a sole source.

  2. I would offer caution on accepting any story on face value out of this region of the world, regardless of the source.

    Everyone over there is playing an angle, and attempting to improve their position.

    If anything, this is one more reason to disengage from foreign intrigue. If we’re not there, we can’t be blamed.

  3. Ya there’s definitely propaganda from both sides. It’s hard to extrapolate what sources are unbiased as there are going to be so few.

    All we can do is post it all and let everyone else decide.

    But I’m with catman, if we weren’t there we couldn’t be blamed.

  4. I am quite surprised you buy into this. I read your blog quite regularly… and I am in the military. Not brainwashed as you claim. I have 3 overseas tours, one that I am serving right now. No Soldier would detain and kill civilians, not in an OP. The rules of engagement are quite actually OVERLY strict, we have Marines who can not even engage enemy targets, LEGITIMATE military targets because they are within several hundred meters of some houses! This is pure drivel, if does turn out be true the Armed Services will not cover it up, that’s been tried. Instead they will make such a dramatic example of those in the wrong and even those who are not even close to being involved that it would shake the military. Here is the real kicker, quit being a coward. If you fear and hate what is going on DO SOMETHING other than hide and cry in your soup. Instead, you choose to sit idly by and be guilty by association. Here is another fact for you, it’s a WAR, death occurs all the time and unfortunately even innocents sometimes fall. Is it right? NO absolutely not, but until you go over and do it yourself you will never know. I do not in any means condone any unnecessary killing. But you sir, need to look long and hard and consider that person in the mirror before condemning those that at least try to preserve what you so easily take for granted. Without us you would not be able to cower and hide the way that you do.

  5. ok…this should be fun…

    “I read your blog quite regularly… and I am in the military.”

    really? i’ve never seen you comment….

    oh…and thank you for your service…if you really are who you claim to be

    “Not brainwashed as you claim. I have 3 overseas tours, one that I am serving right now. No Soldier would detain and kill civilians, not in an OP.”

    Than you should join the oathkeepers organization! if indeed you are who you claim to be…if you’d like more information i can get it to you immediately…please let me know…

    you claim no soldier would detain and kill civilians but the story that i link to in the article claims otherwise…

    also, what exactly does ‘not in an OP’ mean?

    “The rules of engagement are quite actually OVERLY strict, we have Marines who can not even engage enemy targets, LEGITIMATE military targets because they are within several hundred meters of some houses!”

    than why do we have so many civilian casualties in afghan. and iraq…as you state next…i believe this statement is pure drivel…and proof of my headline…you are brainwashed.

    “Here is the real kicker, quit being a coward. If you fear and hate what is going on DO SOMETHING other than hide and cry in your soup. Instead, you choose to sit idly by and be guilty by association. Here is another fact for you, it’s a WAR, death occurs all the time and unfortunately even innocents sometimes fall. Is it right?”

    I fight for liberty everyday…do you? and please do not say that killing iraqi’s or afghanis is protecting me or fighting for freedom…that is absolute garbage…i would rather choose to sit idly by, as you say, and fight the info war and NOT pay my taxes than pick up a weapon everyday and kill innocent people as you do.

    “NO absolutely not, but until you go over and do it yourself you will never know.”

    you answer your own question here…you choose your service…there is no draft…why are you doing something you disagree with so adamantly as you claim to with you capital O in the word NO?

    “I do not in any means condone any unnecessary killing.”

    than by all means…stop doing it…

    “But you sir, need to look long and hard and consider that person in the mirror before condemning those that at least try to preserve what you so easily take for granted.”

    what exactly are you preserving? the corporate war machine/fascist amerika that our so called country has become? thanks!!!

    “Without us you would not be able to cower and hide the way that you do.”

    please retract this statement…as you said…this is pure drivel…as is your entire comment…and you merely proved my point…i will pray for your safe return…many thanks

    -obsequious

  6. First off I am who I claim to be… a proud SFC, U.S. Army. Second I am an Oath Keeper as well. I do not need the likes of you point me in any direction, my allegiance lies with the Constitution. Third… not in an OP means that there is no opportunity to do such evil because you are watched constantly for just such nonsense. Fourth in any war there is collateral damage. Many get killed sometimes accident sometimes on purpose but more often than not because they are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
    Most importantly, I do not kill innocents, I do choose to serve and live by my Oath and our Founders principles. You should try that last one it nice. I WILL NOT EVER follow an Unlawful Order… EVER. Neither do any Soldiers I lead. What I am preserving is our freedom and our interests as a nation. The war in Iraq may not have been entered into honestly but you were not here in 2003. Have no idea what these people were going through, I WAS AND DID. When grown men come to you crying and thanking you for ousting a dictator who kills indiscriminately because the people did not want to join his military. That is why we are here. Being the Self Righteous person that you obviously are Sir I can understand how you can be this way and that is your right. And for the record, because I do not post a comment doesn’t mean I do not read. Some things are just best kept as is and nothing more needs said.

  7. “in any war there is collateral damage. Many get killed sometimes accident sometimes on purpose but more often than not because they are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
    Most importantly, I do not kill innocents, I do choose to serve and live by my Oath and our Founders principles.”

    u contradict yourself here…do u not see this?

    “You should try that last one it nice”

    please stop presuming you know anything about me

    “I WILL NOT EVER follow an Unlawful Order… EVER. Neither do any Soldiers I lead. What I am preserving is our freedom and our interests as a nation. The war in Iraq may not have been entered into honestly ”

    you are fighting an unlawful WAR…that’s a pretty damned big unlawful order there, “sir” !

    “What I am preserving is our freedom and our interests as a nation. The war in Iraq ”

    has nothing to do with our freedoms our our interests

    “Have no idea what these people were going through, I WAS AND DID. When grown men come to you crying and thanking you for ousting a dictator who kills indiscriminately because the people did not want to join his military.”

    good for you and all…but again it’s an illegal war and if the people wanted us there so badly then why are you fighting and killing them now?

    “That is why we are here.”

    bullshit

    “Being the Self Righteous person that you obviously are Sir”

    actually you’re the one sounding pretty “self righteous” in this silly response

    “Some things are just best kept as is and nothing more needs said.”

    exactly…so why are you still talking?

    -obsequious

  8. I guess this young man is lying: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcMk3V3LZcQ

    And the Winter Soldiers are full of shit? http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=winter+soldier&search_type=&aq=f

    Let’s not forget the Iraq Veterans Against the War: http://ivaw.org/

  9. Incredible, you are no better than those you pretend to hate. Espousing lies and twisting words at your own convenience. A war isn’t Unlawful when Congress declares war. It may have been achieved through deceit, but that just makes it unsavory. When Congress declares war that makes it legal AND Constitutional. And news flash for ya, we haven’t engaged an Iraqi insurgent in well on a year now. You say that I should not pretend to know you, well take your own advice partner. You do not know me from Adam. No idea what I am about or who I am. You use your own distaste and dislike of the ongoing campaigns to smear good and honest Soldiers. Soldiers who will be right beside you when our own government oversteps its bounds for the last time. Yet you risk losing them to something so obviously out of their control. No I am not self righteous, but I believe in my in my Constitution and my values as a man of this world. I know what wrong and right are and I am reading it as I type. Most of the writings on this blog I have actually quoted for others, because it is right. But this one… this one is drivel. So I must confess I felt the need to address it. I am talking because your out of line. Do people cross over the line, sometimes they do. It is quite easy to do over here. After all we are trained to close with and destroy the enemy. So no, I will not say that those Soldiers are wrong or that incidents do not occur. What I am saying is that you are generalizing. That every Soldier, Airmen, Marine and Seamen fall under this broad reaching post. That Sir, is a crime both libel and intellectual. For the record, the IVAW spews as much propaganda as the mainstream media does, so it is rare I take what they say at face value. I am surprised at you, no real research involved, just taking the word of a propaganda group.

  10. There could be no illegal war if there were no soldiers to fight it! This war was never declared by Congress and the soldiers fighting it have a responsibility to their fellow Americans to refuse to fight it.

  11. Really? I think you need to check again. They declared war on terrorism and by extension, even through false pretense, they blessed off Iraq as well. War was declared on the Taliban Regime shortly after 9/11. So as these you Americans go into battle to support the cause of Freedom, no matter how ill gained it was, they are spit on be people like you. Soldiers who volunteered to lay down their lives for the idea of Freedom. Again I ask, what are YOU doing trbobitch to further that cause? At least these Soldiers are making an attempt. Many of which are Oathkeepers and many of which belong to Constitutional Militia throughout the country. Many of which help train those who are very ill prepared to take on the militarized forces that will be levied against them in coming years. What are you doing?

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